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March 25, 2013 By

“Anti-Tax” GOP: Republican Senate Members Support Internet Tax.

While Republicans say they are for economic freedom, low taxes, and deregulation, the SenateĀ passage of the Budget Resolution proves the opposite.

At 6:47 pm on Friday the roll-call was tallied for the “Internet Sales Tax” amendment (#656) — sponsored by Wyoming Republican Mike Enzi — revealing that it passed with the support of twenty-six Republicans (listed below).

Enzi’s amendment is essentially the “Marketplace Fairness Act” (S.336/H.R.684) in a different form.

In short, this amendment’s passage just goes to show how far big government “conservatives” are willing to go in broad daylight.

Do these “conservatives” really think that the Johnny Taxpayer wants to surrender more of his dollars to government while shopping online — one of the last places where one can get goods tax-free? Do they think that states and businesses want more bureaucracy to deal with?

Fewer taxes are always good for individuals. It’s a simple concept. Think of it this way: Do you think any retail shop would ever stimulate sales by placing signs in their windows saying, “Today Only – Pay 15% More!” Absolutely not. But this is exactly what government wants to do through taxes — and businesses online will suffer for it.

While the Enzi’s internet tax initiative will likely die as an Amendment — it will get shot down in the House — it will probably pass the Senate under its original name: “the Marketplace Fairness Act.”

Senate conservatives must remain opposed to this and commit to filibuster it on the floor.

Republican YAYs-
Alexander (R-TN)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Crapo (R-ID)
Enzi (R-WY)
Fischer (R-NE)
Graham (R-SC)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kirk (R-IL)
McCain (R-AZ)
Moran (R-KS)Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Wicker (R-MS)
Republican NAYs -
Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Coats (R-IN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Cruz (R-TX)
Flake (R-AZ)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Heller (R-NV)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Lee (R-UT)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Paul (R-KY)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)Toomey (R-PA)
Vitter (R-LA)

 

Marginalia: Our pledge says “Liberty and Justice for all” — not “Liberty and Fairness.” Let it be said that fairness — especially fairness by government force — is the enemy of justice. If we want a free society we don’t want government-mandated fairness.

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guest

@faith4more…. my thoughts exactly. I have a small business where I sell dog stuff on the 'net only. I don't have the resources to figure out how to pay taxes to every taxing entity of my customers.
I heard Amazon now supports this because they now will make $$ selling software/services to "help" small business. What a joke

April 23, 2013 at 11:50 am

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faith4more

It irritates the heck out of me so many Republicans are in favor. I find it very hypocritical they say with Obamacare it will increase burdens on small business etc… and yet they support this bill. This will be a major burden on small business to collect, comply and to potentially be audited by other states. The big retailers like Amazon favor it because they have the cash to hire armies of accountants and lawyers to deal with this. The small guy is going to be left trying to implement software from every state into accounting system or have to pay a third party company to do it. My fellow Republicans who are voting for this bill stop acting like you are for the small business. You are not.

April 23, 2013 at 9:33 am

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MDY

I see the moron McCain that gave us obama and a couple of MS senators. What a shame we have so many two faces in our party. More money for our governmet to piss away.

April 1, 2013 at 6:12 am

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Lightwire

This does not surprise me in the least, DC has no money of their own and want to take more of the worker's money to further pad their investment into anything they want to dream up which is why we are in the position we are in financially. It is obvious that the elitists do not want to uphold their vows to uphold the nation's Principles of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights or anything of any Ethical value. They now, with this, want to take any Transcendent Freedom such as the Internet represents and say, in the words of JayJay Rockefeller "the Internet should never have turned out or be used in the way it has", so JayJay what should it be? Another TAX hole for the Elitists in DC who have become nothing more than paid off charlatans of the International Bankers and the Corporate Cartels, PATHETIC!!! We, in Oklahoma sent one of our own Home, Mickey Edwards 20 years ago for something many times less of a crime, I think we need to send them all home without any retirement or pensions, the DC situation just gets worse with them being there and this attempted bill is a direct example. I feel the NEW TEMPLATE IS ICELAND! take care, Lightwire

March 31, 2013 at 3:58 pm

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Myke Carter

Good to see both of my Senators, Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul, in the NAYs group – and one of my previous two, Jim Inhofe from OK, in there with them. It's a real shame Tom Coburn has been co-opted by the dark site. He had my admiration in his early days but not so much anymore.

March 27, 2013 at 7:50 am

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Myke Carter

site = side

March 27, 2013 at 7:51 am

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Ticked Off Too

Yes, what on earth happened to Coburn? It is time for him to go! Is this his last term? Did he not promise to only "serve" on or two terms?

There was a time, 5-6 years ago, when I thought he, Sessions and Inhofe were the only two in the Senate worth a nickel. Now Inhofe is the only one who seems to vote the right way, but even he has been slipping of late.

March 30, 2013 at 6:59 am

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David Young

The implementation of this internet tax must be simple for online retailers to adhere to because their clients are in all 50 States. A 2% flat tax that has a central filing administration will be less punitive to the Obama Depression than the 2% plus increase in payroll taxes and God knows what that the disaster called ObamaCare is going to take from consumers top lines. Sales tax is consumption oriented, hitting a consumers bottom line for living, so there will be a hit to an economy already in double-dip recession. It is probably inevitable that this tax will come in a bankrupt America at Federal, State and Local levels, but the minute my internet business of 13 years has to file monthly tax returns in multiple States, I RETIRE AND TELL THE GOVERNMENT TO SHOVE IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE. Hard enough to conduct a business where shipping costs are always a point of contention with customers. McCain, who should retire, and Portman, who will be retired, better wake up to how bad the economy is already. Fat chance!

March 26, 2013 at 10:39 am

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sjc

I am a large internet seller. I agree with the spirit of equalizing the playing field that so many small businesses are complaining about, but it needs to be done in a manner that is simple to administrate. For instance, right now I have to collect sales taxes for every tax jurisdiction n my state for in state sales. I then have to report the amount osales and tax collected for all of these different jurisdictions. There are no tools available to help do this and it is a huge pain. Amplifying this over the entire country would be completely unmanageable. If done, it must be something simple like just collecting the local sales tax for the sellers location.

March 26, 2013 at 9:28 am

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James Maxwell jmsmaxwell

As much as I hate taxes this is long past due. I think it will help local and state businesses more
than it will hurt them. Consumers will be the losers in some respects but if you live in a state
you should pay the state sales taxes that are due for products you purchase. They help fund
the services that the state provides you with.

March 26, 2013 at 7:19 am

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Guest

Way to go Republicans! Now you want to kill the geese that lay the golden eggs. How typical. And the truly sad thing is my own Senator betrays me.

March 25, 2013 at 9:40 pm

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JohnW

My mistake, Portman's name is on the same line as Moran of Kansas. Couldn't resist the opportunity for a snarky remark.

March 25, 2013 at 6:12 pm

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JohnW

I see that Sen Portman missed the vote. Probably off at a Gay Marriage rally.

March 25, 2013 at 6:08 pm

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Rob

As a conservative small business owner, I'm excited for this to finally pass. Big business internet retailers are raveging small main street merchants like me. I have to collect sales tax for the state. I don't want to, but I'm mandated or I get shut down and could face jail time. Does the state pay me for doing their job for them, No!

This is not a new tax. When you buy something online, you are supposed to pay the "Use" tax to the state. It's impossible to track, so very few pay. Now big internet retailers will have to collect tax just like I have to.

Every senator who voted Yes on this is a friend of the small local business, your hometown streets, parks and everything else sales tax pays for.

March 25, 2013 at 6:07 pm

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Anarcho Capitalist

If you respect your customers, why then do you side with the state against them? Instead, why not gather support from other business and tell the state to level the playing field by reducing or eliminating sales tax altogether?

Sure, on line sales taxes are collected via the “honor system” in most states, and as you pointed out it’s impossible to enforce, so very few pay. Doesn’t this tell you something about the popularity of taxes? And you want your customers to pay more?

Yes, local business is required to pay sales tax, but an on line business has to charge shipping. Before you complain about your shipping costs for inventory, online retailers have to add inbound inventory shipping costs to their prices just like you. After all, inventory does not magically appear on the shelf, online or otherwise. And just like you, these costs are added to the retail price.

More…

March 25, 2013 at 7:32 pm

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Anarcho Capitalist

Part 2 (sorry it's out or order)

Rather, I refer to the added shipping cost to each individually sold item. This is a cost you do not have, as customers pay this cost for you by walking in your door. The online retailer must directly charge this cost to the customer.

So while you have sales tax, they have additional shipping. So your argument is dishonest and without merit.

If you can’t compete, perhaps you should change your business model rather than force higher cost upon the customer. Using the force of government to protect your outdated business model is simply anti-American.

March 25, 2013 at 7:34 pm

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riffenberg

Maybe you should change your business model if you can't compete with on-line sales.

Big business is lobbying for this. DUH! Amazon supports it for crying out loud. Why do you think that is? They know it will put a lot of small business owners out of business because small business owners can not afford to hire someone to keep up with collecting taxes..
Customers already have an added cost of shipping which is more than sales tax. It's usually about 1/3 more,sometimes 1/2 more. If an item cost $12.00, shipping will cost at least $4.00,probably more. I don't buy a lot of things on line for that reason, shipping costs. Consumers will pay this tax and they will tax us till our eyes bleed. If you support this tax or any tax, you are no conservative. So, don't claim to be.

April 23, 2013 at 8:13 am

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Guest

I'd have more respect for local businesses if they banded together to deny big-box retailers all the "bennies" and tax breaks that then crushes them out of existence. Online retailers, the thousands of mom and pop shops that have been taxed and "licensed" off of main street, are going to take the hit. Way to go! Put an end to preferential treatment of big-box retailers or other home-run schemes cooked up by lazy and corrupt local municipalities that get all the deferred tax benefits and as soon as it looks like they have to kick in they close up shop leaving the locals holding the bill.

March 25, 2013 at 9:44 pm

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steve ross

Rob, why don't you do some research on this by starting an online store. In almost no time at all you will see what I would just begin to say to you here. I'll put this mildly, 'you don't know what you are talking about.' And one more thing. You say, "… have to collect tax just like I have to do." Ha Ha Ha. Are you a sales tax collector for every tax entity in the USA, or how about, on planet earth? No? So pull your head out and open your eyes. Hint. Think about, UN Global Sales Tax Agents coming to visit. By the way, Walmart started this bogus, Save Main Strreet abomination scam years ago and still buys(contributes to??) politicians in the US. Remember Walmart? Remember the 'Buy American" charade when they really went, 'Buy China.' Yep, they are the types who destroyed the small-town Mom and Pop stores by the millions. And now? The small-town Mom and Pop internet stores! The irony … the irony. Rob?

March 30, 2013 at 7:42 pm

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Guest

The question is what were the taxes creates for?

These taxes were created to pay for the physical works infrastructure for LOCAL PHYSICAL BUSINESSES. Since online companies receive NONE of those benefits, they should have to pay for NONE of the costs (ie – taxes).

Those who have received those benefits simply whine, moan, and complain that they have to pay for them. You have prospered by use of the infrastructure for many many generations. Like wise, the online companies pay for their infrastructure (e.g. the Internet).

Yes, things are tough, but it is not the fault of the online companies, so it is time to quit your bellyaching and grow up. You pay for what YOU use and others pay for what they use (after all, what do you expect MORE redistributution of wealth by having online companiues pay for what you use? Such redistributution is the very thing that can and will destroy our country if it is not stopped).

March 31, 2013 at 4:07 pm

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sick of theives

You are what is known as a "phoney conservative"

April 24, 2013 at 1:57 pm

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