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February 6, 2012 By

Obama Pulls Combat Pay for U.S. Troops

President Obama’s latest policy outrage makes no attempt to hide his contempt for our military, as he is ordering that our troops serving overseas in war zones overseas are not to receive combat pay unless they are being shot at, or at risk of being injured by hostile aggression. A Marine who lives in Florida(also currently serving in Afghanistan) has just posted a note on Facebook which stated that he received a letter from his MyPay account that he would only be receiving his Hazard pay (Imminent Danger Pay) if he is actually in a hostile area and at risk of being shot at.

So I just got a letter from MyPay (the way we get paid in the military), saying that I will only reason Combat Pay while deployed for the days that I take fire or am in a hostile area. Now, as an Infantry Marine, I’m constantly in a combat zone…it may not always be popping off, but for them to take that away from us is bullshit. Now, the aviation tech who sits on Camp Leatherneck, sure, I can see him not getting Combat Pay, but to take it away from the grunts, the ground pounders, the front line of defense…come on, Uncle Sam. You let the Liberals win a big one here… Marine from Florida (We are not posting his name for obvious reasons)

According to Military.com, and the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (H.R. 1540-7 Sec 616) as of February 1, 2012, this new measure went into effect, and soldiers who are to receive the additional $225/mo. combat pay ‘must’ be in immediate risk of harm. The measure is very specific in its criteria for receiving the additonal pay.

The rules for Hostile Fire and Imminent Danger Pay have changed. Service members will now receive imminent danger pay only for days they actually spend in hazardous areas. This change went in effect on February 1, 2012.

A member of a uniformed service may be entitled to Hostile Fire and Imminent Danger pay at the rate of $225 for any month in which he/she was entitled to basic pay and in which he/she was:

  • Subject to hostile fire or explosion of hostile mines;
  • On duty in an area in which he was in imminent danger of being exposed to hostile fire or explosion of hostile mines and in which, during the period he was on duty in that area, other members of the uniformed services were subject to hostile fire or explosion of hostile mines;
  • Killed, injured, or wounded by hostile fire, explosion of a hostile mine, or any other hostile action; or
  • On duty in a foreign area in which he was subject to the threat of physical harm or imminent danger on the basis of civil insurrection, civil war, terrorism, or wartime conditions.

The last bullet point speaks volumes as to the sheer stupidity of this measure. The whole point of going to Afghanistan and Iraq was for combat operations- Afghanistan still is a hostile warzone, and both U.S. and NATO forces continue to suffer losses in and out of combat hot zones. Insurgent attacks have accrued throughout areas that have been deemed ‘safe’, and in areas where hostilities were not foreseen.

OPPOSING VIEW (Feb 9): Rebuttal: Troops Aren’t Helped By Being Coddled

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Tell Congress to investigate Obama’s “Military Purge”! Sign the petition.

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Joann

It is high time for our military to surround Washington and put all these traitorous crooks in Jail for TREASON! Do it now before they remove all truly loyal Americans from out of the military! Only the military can pull this off. WAKE UP AMERICA!!

April 24, 2014 at 1:00 am

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Da Holiday

The Truth of the topic:

"Among the more than 20 locales dropped from the new list, which takes effect June 1, is Bahrain, headquarters to the U.S. Fifth Fleet, plus the waterways of the neighboring Gulf, Arabian Sea and Red Sea, where the Navy regularly deploys its ships. Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Oman, the United Arab Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Oman, the United Arab Emirates, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan also were removed as countries where U.S. forces receive imminent danger pay. The U.S. military has forces in several of those countries as well. In many cases, the airspace above the country or waterway also was removed from the list. Military personnel will continue to receive imminent danger pay for serving in countries like Afghanistan and Iraq, where the United States fought wars over the last decade. They will also get it in Jordan and Turkey, which border Syria, where a civil war is raging. The sea near Somalia, where pirates have been active, is on the imminent danger list. So is Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the home of the U.S. prison for captured enemy combatants, as well as Israel, Azerbaijan and the city of Athens, Greece"

January 5, 2014 at 3:08 pm

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Da Holiday

This article here explains the cuts more in truth versus false info aimed to make the President look like he's not concerned with the troops. I am an NCO currently deployed in Afghanistan and my entitlements will not be affected. The letter posted in this article was written by someone who was misinformed about the cuts. Have to be careful of your sources. IJS!
http://www.businessinsider.com/imminent-danger-1-

January 5, 2014 at 2:45 pm

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bob carl

Any one who thinks being in a combat zone is like going to a party should try it some time! One day when you require the protection of the United States Armed Forces and they are not there we will all know their true value.

January 3, 2014 at 4:09 pm

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JARHEAD VET

I find it laughable that a) people don't realize that this has been in effect for over a year now and they are still commenting on it and b) that this is an incredibly conservative piece of legislation.

I just want to interject that Dave Rings is an idiot.

Now on to why this is a great piece of an other wise horrible law…when I was in the Marines and we were deployed, it was common practice for the commander of the naval vessel to run the ship up above a certain parallel once a month so that everyone on board qualified for hazard pay. No firefights, no patrols, no operations, just drive the boat up there, hang out and get paid. Very very wasteful.

This piece of the NDAA puts combat pay in the hands of the deserving and eliminates this kind of abuse of the system. So in that respect- IT IS VERY CONSERVATIVE. But then again, most people who read this site probably can't even spell conservative, much less understand what it means outside of "we didn't vote for no negra president." You people are idiots.

January 2, 2014 at 10:23 am

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Alfreddy

Most of you are not getting the just of this issue. The military gets PEANUTS for being a target in WHATEVER foreign soil they are stationed. They are doing the DIRTY work that many of us will not ever want to do, some of you agree with this law, that's fine, but sit down and think it over a bit and maybe you'll realize that really, $225.00 is NOTHING compared to the work and stress that they are put through. plus, being away from their home country and the risk of getting killed. What in the hell is wrong with everyone that thinks that these men, who are there to protect our freedom and constitution, that they should not receive $225.00 extra dollars A MONTH?? It's PEANUTS!!

January 1, 2014 at 9:34 pm

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Neil

I hate to side with OBAMMY on this one but that is the way it was in Vietnam and Thailand. If you were in a haz duty area you got the pay, if not, you didn't. Simply stated, that is how it worked. NOW, mark my words, this is the ONLY TIME I will side with Obammy. Period

January 1, 2014 at 7:57 pm

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Drifter

Should have started with the State Department officials that stop in for an over night so they can claim the whole month.
Reducing and eliminating benefits and pay to the military will only end up with a mandatory minimum service at age 18 or a "Draft" when there's another conflict because we won't have the numbers otherwise.

January 1, 2014 at 6:37 pm

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Walee

A full month danger pay? $225? SMH

January 1, 2014 at 4:44 pm

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Jeff

I don't understand what the problem is. Have troops deployed to Afghanistan since this bill was passed not been receiving hazard pay for the time they've been in country? Because it seems the bill is primarily saying that all troops will no longer be paid a full month's hazard pay if they were in country for a lesser amount of days.

January 1, 2014 at 2:31 pm

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Richard

Odumba and his liberal following forget that we are depending upon a VOLUNTEER ARMY…there is no DRAFT…..and more and more you are making it unattractive to anyone thinking of signing up. The National Guard and Reserves are aready losing people due to the numberous call ups. Where will we be a few more years down the road if we need a strong military. Folks…keep this in mind with Congressional elections coming up.

January 1, 2014 at 2:25 pm

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OIF,OEF

Obama is the anity chirst

January 1, 2014 at 12:23 pm

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Jose

Ok, under the old system if you arrived on the 31st of the month and left on the 1st of the next month you received two months of hazardous duty pay. The new system just prorates the pay to the time spent in the area.

January 1, 2014 at 5:44 am

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Corey Smaller
4x combat vet

As a combat vet (4 times), I am all for supporting those that are deployed. This, however is being taken out of context. The previous rules for imminent danger pay was that you received the entire month pay regardless of how many days you were in a danger area. Some people were receiving a full month of IDP for only spending 1 day there. Now, they changed the rules and are prorating the pay. That is all that changed here. Every soldier, sailor, marine, and airman in Afghanistan is receiving IDP. Also, this happened a while ago, so why now is this being news?

December 31, 2013 at 9:23 pm

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chris

the only thing that i can see this being positive for, is all the people who sit there happy ass's in Kuwait and UAE. If troops are affected by this who are currently in AFG, that is wrong. Like i said though this should only apply to the arm chair quarterbacks not the troops digging in and fucking shit up.

December 31, 2013 at 9:09 pm

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Jimmie

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/combatpay

You're welcome, idiots.

December 31, 2013 at 2:55 pm

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fireslade

Haha, Idiots indeed. Coming from the moron using Snopes.com as a legitimate source. Not saying this article is completely accurate, but all you dipshits posting links to snopes need to fuck off. Then again, I’m not surprised that commie liberals would use a site that is ran by a couple amateur Obama lovers, using Google and slapping their “evidence” on their shitty site, as their go to source for all that is true. Do your own research you commie terrorist fucks.

December 31, 2013 at 6:02 pm

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Bill Lox

Please tell us how the Snopes article is incorrect. If it is correct, why slam the use of it? Because of your perceived bias that previous articles on Snopes had? And gee, conservativeactionalerts.com doesn't have any bias at all…

January 2, 2014 at 9:32 am

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Bryan

It's day for day pay now, used to be you received the entire $225 monthly pay for just one day in the zone.

December 31, 2013 at 2:28 pm

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A 1st CAV SGT.

As an Infantryman in Afghanistan currently, it would be amazing to take away my pay since we have rocket attacks daily as well as the constant threat of IED's when we roll out. It's bad enough that the Men and Women who make the decisions at the top have no idea of what's going on here, they have to take away benefits as well. I'm proud to be a soldier even though I make barely a living wage for my family. I just wish the government would look at what the impact may be before they submit these ridiculous measures.

December 31, 2013 at 2:09 pm

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De Oppressor Liber

In response to the USMC comment I am a contractor in Afghanistan first thing first I receive no combat pay for being there I knew the risks when I took the job and still I took it as a former veteran of 5 that's right 5 combat zones I know what it is like to take fire I don't feel sorry for them but when you voice your opinion there are a few things you should remember OPSEC do not disclose information that may harm your fellow man things like camp names by doing so you place your fellow Brothers in harms way so the next time you want your voice to be heard remember OPSEC

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Dustin

Don't fret John Q. Public, your servicemen haven't ever backed down on you before. We have faced hardships from every corner of the globe. The Congressmen, Senators, Republicans, and Democrats can do as they wish; they will not break us. I have watched the Honorable Mr. Obama, my Commander in Chief, give his service men and women the lowest pay raises since the Vietnam conflict, cut out retirement by $76,000, and now this. I don't worry, I'm not concerned. My brothers and I will still do our duty. Pay us minimum wage, we'll still stand and never back down. No matter the enemy, we have prevailed. Make no mistake about it, even against a domestic enemy, we will never break. Always Faithful Gunnery Sergeant of Marines.

December 31, 2013 at 8:34 am

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nick

I am a Soldier who just got back from Afghanistan… this article is misleading… all the act did was pro rate HFP/IDP. It used to be if you were in a month were one day you would get the entire 225 dollars. All this act does is stop people from getting paid for HFP/IDP when they are in the united states.

I mean shit… the Air Force gets it for being in Manas… which is far safer than driving on a highway in the US.

This site seems as skewed as the wikipedia Obamacare article… they didn't even mention that there were technical difficulties on the rollout!

December 30, 2013 at 10:41 pm

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Dustan

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/combatpay

Hey conservatives… why do you feel the need to lie to further your agenda? If you have to lie to further it then it's clearly not an agenda worth furthering…

December 30, 2013 at 10:13 pm

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Kathy
Sean

Ok folks calm down, there are two pay and entitlements that are affected here. First of all this $225 will continue to be received by service members deployed in harms way, no questions asked. The people that will stop getting this pay are stationed inplaces like Kuwait, Egypt and other locations that there is little to no fear of harm. It actually makes sense to us service members. The Marine that spoke is a barracks (Sea) lawyer and does understand the rule. Carry On!!!!

December 30, 2013 at 2:21 pm

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Tony

You people are forgetting our our system works. Doesnt matter rather it was the Dems or the Republicans that came up with this bill. All law that are passed must be signed into Law by the President. Obama could have easily veteod the bill. But he chose not too. The blame lys at his feet.

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Magno John

send all this law maker to combat zone to feel the effect of being bullied. It is so true what our Beloved President Abraham said, "No one can break our country but it will break itself from within". our country is getting weaker from the decisions our leaders makes. I am sure you have reasons to make this kind of decisions. but live the veterans alone. give back what the veterans deserve. We make this country free and safe. Protect us and take care us do not bully us. fortify your defense if you keep doing this you will weaken your defense and it will crumble down. so think about what kind of decisions you making. Prayers will be always with you all.

December 30, 2013 at 11:12 am

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Harry Conner

Honestly it is past time to vote every single idiot in Washington OUT OF OFFICE and start again! What is even more disgusting is so many of these fools are Veterans! Any Vet voting for this nonsense has either been out of the service or in Congress to damn long! You have betrayed your Brothers and Sisters In Arms and its time for you to go!

December 30, 2013 at 11:08 am

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Trevor

I'm sure Marine aviation Sgt. Bradley W. Atwell would beg the differ on both the President's as well as the quoted Marine's opinion. KIA, Camp Bastion flight line by small arms fire, September, 15th 2012

RIP devil

December 30, 2013 at 2:47 am

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Chris

Army guy here.

I want to throw out how unresearched this article is.

First off, the pay is not being removed. it is being pro-rated to $7.50 a day that you are deployed. Any location in a deployment is considered imminent danger. You will still get the rate while on RnR (if your deployment qualifies for it). 7.50 x 30 = 225. On a 30 day month you would still get $225.00 in pay. On a 31 day month you would get $232.50. And February would bring $210 ($(217.50 in leapyears).

December 30, 2013 at 12:30 am

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ExtenderFixer

Thank you. Some people just believe whatever is thrown in front of there face without even checking it out.

December 30, 2013 at 7:29 am

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miazagora

The change would fall mostly on rear-echelon and headquarters staff whose occasional and short visits to a hostile area, such as attending a change-of-command ceremony in Afghanistan, had provided them the same $225 monthly hostile fire pay that went to the front-line airmen or soldiers facing imminent danger every day of the month.

Because changes of command often happen on the first day of a month, someone arriving May 31 to attend a June 1 ceremony previously drew $450 — two months of danger pay. Those one- or two-day visitors benefited from what ground combat troops had derisively called "sightseer pay."

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/combatpay

December 29, 2013 at 5:29 pm

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Fred

There is no danger of Service Members serving in a REAL combat zone of losing there hostile fire pay. Only for those that sit in the rich arab nations (Qatar, Kuwait, Dubai) who eat shwarmas every weekend should worry.

December 29, 2013 at 12:24 pm

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ExtenderFixer

Anybody that belives this bullshit is an idot. One, the article is dated Feb 2012, no shit like this has ever taken effect. Two, I've deployed twice since then (USAF) and I've gotten my $225 along with my fam sep and haz pay. So sell this shit to someone who does't know any better. The only that really changes was that it became pro rated so in order to get the full $225 you had to be in zone for 30 days. Thank you come again!!

December 29, 2013 at 11:36 am

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Nathaniel Dahlheim

You're also airforce

December 30, 2013 at 4:02 am

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Nathaniel Dahlheim

You get extra cash for being posted on an army base so you can suck it

December 30, 2013 at 4:02 am

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ExtenderFixer

You must be Amry cause sound cluseless. There are Air Force bases out in the AOR, so you can just pipe down. And wether you're AF, Marine, Army or Navy, we all get the same entitlements out there. Wether I'm at a place lke the Died and I foward deploy to and Army base, nothing changes, we get the same thing genious.

December 30, 2013 at 7:27 am

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LOLz

Extender you never saw combat please stop talking. If you haven't shot your rifle out in country at some haji scum bag then stfu. Rifle range DO NOT COUNT.

January 3, 2014 at 9:55 pm

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ExtenderFixer

So because I'm not shooting my rifle that doesn't count? GTFOH. I'll keep that in mind while we're taking motar fire in Kandahar and Bagram while trying to get our jet's airborne to drop those JDAMs when ya'll need it during a TIC.

January 7, 2014 at 10:38 am

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military widow

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540enr/p
go to Section 616 (page 154) of the bill. Modifies "portion of month or month" to "portion of day or day" – so yes, this has taken effect.

December 31, 2013 at 11:00 am

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ExtenderFixer

The only thing that has been taken effect it the fact that is prorated. It is not taken away.

January 7, 2014 at 10:33 am

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ExtenderFixer

You must have not read my full comment.

January 7, 2014 at 10:40 am

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bob carl

So if you are flying off of an aircraft carrier, do you get combat pay or not?

January 3, 2014 at 4:13 pm

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OEF Veteran

Actually, if you are familiar with the bill this isn't a bad thing for most. If you are in Afghanistan, then you are getting hazard duty pay. It doesn't mean that only some in Afghanistan will get it, all service members there will receive hazard duty pay. What this bill does change is that if you only spend 2 days in the hazard duty designated area, then you only get pro-rated hazard duty pay for those 2 days. As some previous commenters have stated, senior leadership stationed in Kuwait or in Dubai would visit Afghanistan for 24-48hrs every month just to get a month's worth of Hazard Duty pay. Remember that most that deserve this pay, will receive the entire $225. Now if we want to argue that the $225 for being shot at is way too low, then that is a totally different arguement.

December 29, 2013 at 9:24 am

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Dave Rings

I think that if he doesn't stop this bullshit, there will be a group of disgruntled Veterans/ Active duty members that will actually cross the line. They will use the right to bear arms and destroy this sociaslistic dictator.

December 29, 2013 at 7:03 am

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Da Holiday

The cuts only affect those Service members who are NOT in any imminent danger. Those who are will continue to get the entitlements. Perhaps you should read this article for a more accurate account of the issue.
http://www.businessinsider.com/imminent-danger-pa

January 5, 2014 at 2:53 pm

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Frank

Bottom line is the if the president signs the bill it becomes his bill. Agree that we need to cut, however; lets start in congress first.

December 28, 2013 at 9:21 pm

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John

Alright, before we all get our bloomers in a bunch about this, let's look at the WHOLE story. Now, I speak with some authority in this matter. I spent 26 years in the Army, six of those years were deployed to combat zones.

If a Soldier spends a single day, even a few minutes of a day in a combat zone, then he gets an entire month's worth of Imminent Danger Pay. If a Soldier spends an entire month in the same combat zone, then he also receives the same amount of money. If a Soldier lands in, say, Kandahar at 23:59 on 31 July and takes off at 00:01 on 1 August, then he gets TWO months of Imminent Danger Pay. Now, I am a Conservative, a Jeffersonian Republican. I am the very LAST person to defend Hussein Obama. But this move is fair and fiscally responsible.

December 28, 2013 at 1:53 pm

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terri

Are you out of your mind!! if u served in the military u would know that we are always putting our lives on the line out here and we deserve that pay. As many IDFs we get and soldiers dying everyday damn u have no respect I would never believe u were ever a soldier

December 28, 2013 at 4:38 pm

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Rob

Might want to re-read what he wrote. They aren't taking away the combat pay, merely prorating it. I'm still in the Army, just shy of 20 years, and headed back to my 6th deployment. I'm still going to get full combat pay, but it will just now be prorated like many other pays in the Military. I think it's actually long overdue. I know too many people who only spend a few days in theater and get 2 full months of combat pay. Many people abuse the system, especially those who wear stars on their chest. It's ridiculous.

It's been this way with family separation allowance for years. Where was the uproar for that? I suppose it's all about how someone writes the headlines on the story. You want a full month of combat pay? Spend a whole month in combat, like so many of the rest of us.

December 28, 2013 at 8:58 pm

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JARHEAD VET

Exactly John. Happened all the time when I was in the Marines. Its a very good piece of an otherwise horrible law. It put combat pay in the hands of the deserving and eliminates abuse.

And guess what- all you "support the troops" types- once abuse of the combat pay system is eliminated, then it can go up. I swear to God, some people have no idea what they are bitching about. They're just bitching

January 2, 2014 at 10:26 am

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Dan

as a former 0331 machine-gunner in afghan i think grunts have nothing to worry about as far as the man who sits on leatherneck the whole deployment i agree he shouldnt get it but the man who is on fob delhi yeah he rates combat pay

December 28, 2013 at 1:45 am

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K. Bourns

I really don't think the intent of the measure is to take anything from our defender in Afghanistan and Iraq…those entire countries should be declared as hostile areas. I think the intent is to eliminate the extra pay from service members serving in locations such as Qatar, UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Bahrain, etc. Seriously, when has there been a hostile sustained threat in any of those countries? I am in no trivializing the important jobs that our folks are doing in those countries, but it is no way comparable to actually being in life-threatening environments on a daily basis. I support the limitation. By the way, I've been the military for over 29.8 years and I've deployed to both types of locations: hostile and not-so-hostile. My only disappointment is that these types of restrictions are not levied in the civilian sector and all the fleecing that they're allowed to get away with…that's where our government will reduce our national debt.

October 12, 2013 at 2:27 am

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Jeremy Herrmann

Dude kawait next to the border had a drive by shooting at the kawaity police station so we had to be in full gear from the port to nqvistar suck it.

January 8, 2014 at 2:13 am

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Sean Monk

They've been talking about this for a while now… I'm actually glad they are doing this b/c no one on a green FOB should be receiving the same $$$ as some of us who were at COP's, JSS's and patrol bases… Never had a g/d surf and turf Fridays where I was… after a 4 day shit fest mission freezing balls off I got 4 meat balls and a scoop of beats… tell me who wants to eat pickled beats after a 4 day suck fest… mail will always be here tomorrow and I probably did laundry 4 times in a yr b/c the bastards keeps blowing up our damn generator or it was soo cold the H2O froze for a good 4 months… If they want to earn that extra 300-400 a month they can go a few months without a shower get shot at spend a few nights outside the wire during an afghan winter and pull security on H2O drops b/c the support company won't or can't drive through the mountain pass to deliver you mail and water.

October 10, 2013 at 7:19 pm

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2L82Pray

In July of 2012 my good friend Krystal Fitts was killed by a mortar round while on a "green fob" standing in the CP near the 1SG's office. While I was on one of those so-called Green Fob's (KAF) in 2008-2009, there were days when we were hit by mortar rounds 6-9 times a DAY. People were severely injured sleeping in their bunks or walking the board walk to get pizza. So what you're telling me is, those people don't deserve combat pay? Even though they were at risk of immenent harm at all times? My support guys took fire constantly bringing you water, food and mail. They also ran miles and miles of concertina wire, in the open, sitting like ducks for weeks so you could be safer. They don't deserve haz pay? Get down off that arrogant infantry soap box you grunts love to jump up and down on. We've all faced danger and just as many infantry idiots got sent back to FOB's to pull gate guard as were out there. This is a no-front line war and no one is better than anyone when it comes to being at risk

December 30, 2013 at 8:35 am

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sean

Well said my Friend

December 30, 2013 at 2:25 pm

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Jeremy Herrmann

Yah but Obama always has the last say!
He'll yah stationed in kawait never there suppling to Iraq they didn't want to give us combat pay in 2005 what a. Joke!

January 8, 2014 at 2:10 am

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Stephen

Wait… why were they receiving combat pay if they weren't in danger? Seems like a good frugal bill to me.

October 10, 2013 at 6:33 pm

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Frank

Because their lives are at danger 24/7 in a combat zone otherwise it will be called Disney Land you moron. If it wasn't you be taking tours to this fucking place to see how people live here and perhaps lose your head just for no being one of them.

December 28, 2013 at 9:12 pm

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David Vanslette

LOL I agree with this 100% Why should some pog get extra pay while he eats pizza in Kuwait. Stop over reacting. This one makes sense. It also stops top commanders from "Visiting us" for 4 days and getting two months tax free and bonus pay.

October 10, 2013 at 3:42 am

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Joel Benefiel

They actually stopped this practice and the amount you get paid for being in a combat zone is prorated based off how many days you spend there. I agree with dudes in Kuwait/AFCOM not getting combat pay but everywhere in AFG is in a combat zone; yes, even the fobbits run the risk of incoming/indirect fire or suicide vests.

December 30, 2013 at 11:30 am

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Scott W

This was my thought. You DC, have angered the 2nd amendment supporters, people with guns. Now you have angered the people in the military, people with bigger guns and airplanes and stuff. If the SHF, who will be on your side?

October 9, 2013 at 12:46 pm

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john

the soldiers don't own the bigger guns and airplanes and stuff. the government does, so i don't think they're very worried about that.

October 11, 2013 at 11:45 am

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Bill L

I say put our gubmnt leaders in a combat zone for a week and see if their pucker factor doesn't cause more than one to have a heart attack or nervous breakdown. Just knowing that you can get shot or get blown up by a mine is nerve racking alone and deserving of combat pay – even if you never get shot at.

October 8, 2013 at 8:45 pm

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SSG Green

Spend some time in a combat zone. You get so used to mortars hitting close and rounds zipping over your head, that you just get used to it. I have rolled over in the middle of the night to pull my IBA over my torso and went back to sleep.

October 8, 2013 at 8:09 pm

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A Veteran

Just returned from Afghanistan. I know EXACTLY what you mean and have done the same thing my friend.

December 30, 2013 at 12:09 pm

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Mac

Yup

December 30, 2013 at 8:08 pm

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shaquannah

HELLO! Look at the date! This happened early 2012. Not new news at all.

October 8, 2013 at 11:58 am

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Cherri

No not new but still happening.

October 8, 2013 at 8:05 pm

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Diane

Send all of the Washington "elite" over there on the front lines with nooooo pay…!! The rules would change real quick…!! They shutdown the government and still get paid…!!

October 7, 2013 at 10:54 pm

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Dumbfounded!!

This is unacceptable! Seriously! WTF? Can anyone tell me where MY America went and where am I now????? Unfathomable!

October 7, 2013 at 7:47 pm

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A Veteran

Your America left before any of us where even born. It started in 1913 with the Federal Reserve and has never been the same since. Freedom is an illusion.

December 30, 2013 at 12:07 pm

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Andy C

The soldiers should be making $225.00 a DAY!!!

October 7, 2013 at 7:23 pm

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David J

You guys might want to look up HR Bill 1540 and see who really did this…

October 7, 2013 at 5:00 pm

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Caroline

He's a Muslim Brotherhood agent. Isn't it about time, someone who can do something, take action against him. He is a fraud. This is an inside terror attack. Do not succomb to this, it's time he's questioned and arrested if need be.

Obama is a Member of the Muslim Brotherhood. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/shocking-

October 7, 2013 at 4:22 pm

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John

i love how you would take the word of a member of the muslim brotherhood. just get over it already, if he was a muslim he would not have been elected president twice

October 11, 2013 at 11:54 am

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Idiot America

Your an idiot, and should fucking die.

December 30, 2013 at 8:05 pm

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MA dulong

ok so our soldiers who is fighting in Afghanistan lives is only worth between 7 and 8 dollars a day ….this is outrageous they put their lives on the line everyday to protect our freedom ….and what of their families at home who suffer stress daily waiting to hear that their loved one is ok …can we put a dollar value on the stress they suffer …..war is not easy on anyone but please don't ever think we don't value their lives ..I thank God daily that they are willing to give their lives to protect us

October 7, 2013 at 4:21 pm

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Pummba

Yes and we want to pay someone at mcDonalds $15 and hr to ash if you want frys with that

October 7, 2013 at 7:35 pm

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John

we do NOT want to pay them $15 an hour, the people who work at mcdonalds want that. $15 is outrageous, but thats beside the point.

October 11, 2013 at 11:52 am

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Alex

I just can't understand the dollar value they put on being shot at. $225 a month to for incoming rounds?! It's insulting. Then they go an hire contractors who come in to do the same job for 80k+ yr. Because that makes sense.

October 7, 2013 at 11:06 am

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Cody

Contractors actually tend to be cheaper…just FYI. Just because more money goes in the individual's pocket does not mean that they cost more. This is a pretty sickening bill though…Surely we could find cuts elsewhere.

December 29, 2013 at 8:11 pm

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US Sailor

This isn't about party politics. It's about our military getting screwed…again. I served for 7 years before being injured & discharged and I can say with certainty that ALL areas in the theater of war are "Combat Zones". $225/month is insulting to begin with and then to take it away is just disgusting when congress, who are non-essential, continue to receive their $174,000 (minimum) annual salaries.

October 7, 2013 at 4:24 am

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JCof DC

Vietnam vet. Was in Danang 1969 and not many days in the bush but was under attack every-night by rockets and mortars. "Rocket City".The wars we fight now really do not have a front line the entire area is a theater of operation. So politicians get your head out of your ass and change it and raise that 225 a month. I guess that what they think a life is worth. BS

October 8, 2013 at 9:28 am

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L G

No offense but you must need to be realistic. There are 100 senators and 435 representatives.. and there are more than 600k soldiers.. even if you cut everyones congress pay to 5k annual salary, you still wouldn't be able to pay soldiers well, not even be able to buy an extra fighter jet (100-500 million dollars EACH).

December 30, 2013 at 3:53 am

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Connie Hall

I couldn't agree with you more! It's despicable what they're doing to our military! Those soldiers deserve every penny they earn and MORE!!!!

December 31, 2013 at 9:05 pm

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Dorothy Johnston

Seriously? We have removed public figures for crimes less than favorable…. how/why do we tolerate this president to destroy our foundation? Brick by brick he is smashing everything to the ground and building nothing to replace it. Raise the debt? NO! that just gives leeway to spend more than what we have. Stop paying our troops? NO, No, NO!!! They are our borders, our backbone, our saving grace. They are our brothers, sisters, fathers, uncles, aunts, mother.s. You're not paying them is like saying their job is trivial….. I CALL FOR THE IMPEACHMENT OF OBAMA!!! We were so outraged by Clinton for having sex (sorry Hilary) that he stepped down…yet we are allowing this man to defile everything Constitutional and American.

October 6, 2013 at 3:54 pm

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Dan

Kiddo… Clinton didn't "step down", this change in pay happened over a year ago, and it was passed by the Repubes, not Obama. Please direct your anger to the right place.

October 10, 2013 at 9:37 pm

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k thomas

As a veteran i can tell you there has been no change in combat pay in any hostile zone from asia to africa. members just no longer get the full 225 for one day in country. each day is now counted seperate. clinton stepped down lol. i think uninformed voters are brick by brick letting this country be broken down.

December 29, 2013 at 8:28 pm

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Bob Holcomb

Look above both parties screwed this up..we can lay this debacle straight at the feet of Greed. Thanks to Thomas Dobbins for posting the stats. Both parties drop the ball on this one.

December 30, 2013 at 1:16 pm

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bert

OBAMA HAS TO GET THROWN OUT OF OFFICE.HE'S USELESS AND SO SPINELESS HE DOESN'T EVEN TRY FIGHTING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.WHOEVER VOTED HIM INTO OFFICE SHOULD BE SENT TO AFGHANISTAN AND FIGHT THE DAMN WAR

December 30, 2013 at 3:26 pm

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Cindy Greer

Getting paid 225 per month is still not enough for what our troops go through over seas, but to take it away is even more disgraceful. Would you like to be shot at for an extra 8.00 per day….not. And the President is being paid way too much for what he does; cut his pay and give it to the soldiers.

January 2, 2014 at 9:51 am

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bob carl

Any one who thinks being in a combat zone should try it sometime!

January 3, 2014 at 3:44 pm

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Mike

huh?

January 7, 2014 at 10:53 am

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Thomas Dobbins

Hmmm…

Votes on House Bill HR 1540 (Introduced by Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon [R-CA25] on April 14, 2011 ) – Repubs vote to pass 190-43 or 81.6%. Dems 93-93…

Votes on Senate Bill S 1867 (Introduced by Sen. Carl Levin [D-MI] on November 15, 2011) – R's vote to pass 44-3 or 93.6%. Dems vote to pass 48-3 or 94.1%…

Levin also wrote the "indefinite detention sections"…looks like the D's are are just as guilty as the R's on this one…

October 6, 2013 at 1:39 pm

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ben

Not sure where you're getting your information from, but S1867 was only just introduced, and has yet to go to a vote.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s1867

December 30, 2013 at 4:48 am

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kim

Ben, the bill you refer to is the Prepaid Card Consumer Protection Act of 2013 – check this out https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s1867

December 31, 2013 at 10:41 am

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Pete

I want to point the dirty end of the stick at the left on this one, but I can't. This bill was sponsored by republicans and voted through by republicans. About 98% of red representatives voted in favor of its' passage. As a matter of fact, 94% of congressmen who tried to kill it were democrats. It's the national defense authorization act. It was going to get passed. Obama would've been run over by the full power of the right had he tried to delay and nitpick the content. He didn't even have enough democrats on his side to make that happen. Over 76% of public servants representing the "voice of the people" voted to pass this heap. The blame lies on the right. Get 'em out of office and our boys won't be out there risking life and limb to benefit the interests of corporate America. What we really need are the democrats to be a mix of moderates and genuine liberals, and dump the wannabe republicans, then replace them with a mix of moderate and conservative libertarians. Get the best from both sides… a smaller federal government that at least pretends to care their country and its' citizenry.

May 17, 2013 at 4:57 pm

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Richard

Hmmm youre obviously a liberal. The math is correct though. I hate propoganda from either side. Bring our troops home!!

May 17, 2013 at 4:59 pm

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SUSANM

I SAY THE SAME THING………….BRING THEM HOME NOW.

May 17, 2013 at 6:04 pm

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mamadez

Yay!!!! So glad both sides of the aisle voted for this. This did NOT get rid of combat pay. It changed the pro ration from $225 a month to $7.50 a day. Now, those that fly to Afghanistan for their buddies change of command ceremony on the 30th and leave on the 1st only get $15 instead of $450. You see, it used to be that you received combat pay for an entire month no matter how many days of that month that you were in country. It's just changed to a daily rate. Nobody is losing combat pay. From AF Times – Feb 2012 – As described by the Air Force Times:
Beginning with Feb. 15 paychecks, troops will be paid only for the actual days they spend in a qualifying danger pay location, Pentagon officials said.

Under the previous policy, troops who spent any portion of a month in a danger pay location received full monthly danger pay of $225.

The proration amounts to $7.50 per day. So, for example, if an airman spends only 10 days of the month in an eligible area, he will have only $75 in IDP added to his paycheck.

The change would fall mostly on rear-echelon and headquarters staff whose occasional and short visits to a hostile area, such as attending a change-of-command ceremony in Afghanistan, had provided them the same $225 monthly hostile fire pay that went to the front-line airmen or soldiers facing imminent danger every day of the month.

Because changes of command often happen on the first day of a month, someone arriving May 31 to attend a June 1 ceremony previously drew $450 — two months of danger pay. Those one- or two-day visitors benefited from what ground combat troops had derisively called "sightseer pay."

The change was designed mainly to prevent people who briefly visit a combat or danger zone from receiving the same pay as someone assigned to a deployed unit. Under the previous rules, a person could schedule a visit to an eligible area on the last day of one month, depart the next day and collect two full months of danger pay.

Exceptions will be made for troops who are "exposed to a hostile fire incident." Regardless of location, those troops will receive a monthly payment of $225.

December 30, 2013 at 10:26 pm

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Reuben James Hunt

It used to be that if you were deployed in an area where you could receive combat fire you received combat pay. now you have to be in an active combat zone to receive hazard pay so yes it does affect the military soldiers that actually do the fighters.

January 1, 2014 at 2:07 pm

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mike

Actually you are right about the scam about commanders visiting their units on the last day of one month to the first of another just to get that pay. Saw it all the time when deployed for ONW.

January 7, 2014 at 10:47 am

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Rich Bart

Come on dude, the law as written above makes sense and covers deployment to Afghanistan.obama just reinterpreted the law to suit himself. notice the bullet point above does cover their current deployment. I am a vet but not a combat vet. It has always been a matter of determining the zones or areas. obviously you would not pay everyone in a unit just because a few of them were in a conflict while the rest were in the rear. Just bring them all back home and we would not have this debate. Why fight for the global bankers that run the al kada anyway? let these guys come home and secure the border or replace the tsa agents. these solders are probably better at finding the boogie men hiding in people's suit cases and underwear.

October 7, 2013 at 6:54 pm

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P.Bebs

Why do you keep putting an apostrophe AFTER the possessive "its" when it's not necessary ?
You need an apostrophe BEFORE the "s" to mean IT IS, like in IT'S. There's no such word in English as ITS'.

October 11, 2013 at 2:59 am

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Norman

Really, that's all you have to bitch about? Place your head back in the sand, and don't come ot until you have something of substance to say.

December 30, 2013 at 7:47 pm

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Robert

Them aren't republicans. they are Obama Trolls. Come on now you know that none of those people going along with Obama's doctor evil plans would be doing it unless they are getting a big fat kickback from it. Just for example the Obama care plan they are exempt- do you really think it is because of healthcare? no it is all about that microchip being implanted so they can track us. How ever Congress voted that they don't have to be subject to the Obamacare plan. This shit is way deeper than Healthcare that is the way those bastards (Islam) is planning on taking over. Without the chip you don't get healthcare, it is also to usher in the cashless system so you will not be able to purchase anything without the chip, also the act of treason he already committed by supplying weapons to Al Qaeda ( which is Islam ) and trying to disarm us so with the chip in your hand and no firearms to defend yourself then they ( Islam Nation – Al Qaeda ) can track you in-slave you or shoot you down like a dog.

October 11, 2013 at 2:03 pm

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CB

Let's see, most of our military hate Obama. Now I wonder why that is oh wait its because he does stupid shit like this. You're a typical Democrat always pointing the finger at the other party. Both sides do it. How about everyone pull their head out of their asses.

December 29, 2013 at 10:33 pm

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Anthony

I wish I could convey how funny this is in writing, but I don't think the keyboard will do it justice. It absolutely amazes me how people can take something so simple and then turn i around to suit there needs. Military members that actually serve in a combat zone are NOT getting money taken away from them. This Bill is actually exactly what most in the military have been asking for, for years. Before this bill pilots and there crew could fly over a combat zone (at 30,000 feet) for as little as 30 minutes and receive the full benefits, meanwhile those on the ground for 90,180, 365 consecutive days would get the exact same pay. People wake up and do research other than Wikipedia before you start pointing fingers. Oh and BTW yes I am a Air Force Vet that actually just came back from one of these "combat zones". So I think I know a thing or two about what those who serve do and don't get paid while deployed.

December 30, 2013 at 6:59 pm

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Jason

If anyone had bothered to read the little excerpt that this ridiculous site included in their smear piece? It says in the second bullet that troops deployed in combat zones are still going to be getting paid. The purpose of the redesign on the wording is to stop payment for those people who were stationed outside of combat zones but would take a little trip in once a month (we're mostly talking about senior enlisted and officers) just they could be there for a couple of days but still pull an entire month's worth of combat pay and all the other perks.

Troops in combat zones will be getting paid as normal it's only pro-rated for those strap-hangers who were scumming it up in Club Kuwait.

December 30, 2013 at 10:21 pm

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Jay

Pete, you are a typical Left wing liar, it was both sides that passed that crap so quit making it sound like olny republicans passed it and try telling the truth once in a while.

December 31, 2013 at 8:30 am

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bdl0715

The article makes it sound like it was the President's doing. The bill was signed my a majority of Congress, which is a majority republican. Appropriations are decided in the House..

Seems like the writer of this headline just wanted to stir up some controversy for the President. It would be more accurate to lay the blame at John Boehner.

December 31, 2013 at 10:15 pm

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jay

Votes on House Bill HR 1540 (Introduced by Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon [R-CA25] on April 14, 2011 ) – Repubs vote to pass 190-43 or 81.6%. Dems 93-93…

Votes on Senate Bill S 1867 (Introduced by Sen. Carl Levin [D-MI] on November 15, 2011) – R's vote to pass 44-3 or 93.6%. Dems vote to pass 48-3 or 94.1%…

Levin also wrote the "indefinite detention sections"…looks like the D's are are just as guilty as the R's on this one…

December 31, 2013 at 8:33 am

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Dustin

Don't fret John Q. Public, your servicemen haven't ever backed down on you before. We have faced hardships from every corner of the globe. The Congressmen, Senators, Republicans, and Democrats can do as they wish; they will not break us. I have watched the Honorable Mr. Obama, my Commander in Chief, give his service men and women the lowest pay raises since the Vietnam conflict, cut out retirement by $76,000, and now this. I don't worry, I'm not concerned. My brothers and I will still do our duty. Pay us minimum wage, we'll still stand and never back down. No matter the enemy, we have prevailed. Make no mistake about it, even against a domestic enemy, we will never break. Always Faithful Gunnery Sergeant of Marines.

December 31, 2013 at 8:39 am

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Deb

I knew you would, Dustin! You and your military buddies are the patriots of our land and you do us proud! I praise God you work for US, and not a foreign nation because we know you serve from the heart. It's who you are! If I could pay any of you, I would; but there's not enough money in this entire country to pay any of you what you're worth. THANK YOU FOR YOUR BRAVE AND COMMITTED SERVICE TO US ALL, and PLEASE pass the word to those you serve with!

January 1, 2014 at 11:50 pm

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Phillip

I can't speak to the truthfulness of this, but I can say this I was oversea in Afghanistan at the time this article was posted, Feb 6,2012. I arrived in country on/about 1 Nov 2011 and i received every cent of my hazardous duty pay every month I was over there. I worked in the motor pool and hardly ever went outside the wire to get shot at or blown up by an IED

December 31, 2013 at 9:06 pm

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cscottmiller68

It is tragic to see our beloved country ruined by a “progressive” agenda championed by a President and Congress who will not work together, and believe that borrowing money from future generations is the only way to further their liberal and self-serving causes. WE THE PEOPLE need to impose TERM LIMITS so BOTH PARTIES don’t ruin this great nation. Look at Greece and Europe….do you really want that in America? That is the way we are headed with the entitlement society we live in. We should all be proud of our country, the founding fathers, and our constitution which has enabled all of us, including the “progressives” to thrive and be in the position they are in today. Also, if you can’t make your point without insulting others, you are showing your true ignorance. Please resign yourself to learning how to communicate effectively while treating others as you would wish to be treated. True and honest debate is a glorious freedom that we have in this country because of our constitution, which, I remind you, the brave men and women of our military have sworn to protect and defend- not pick apart, as the liberal agenda continues to strive for. how about we learn to spend less on Solyndra and wasted idealogical concerns, and pay our military, teachers, and civil servants what they truly deserve. They pay in blood so we can squabble over ridiculous differences of opinion. The left claims to be for the little man, the worker, etc., but they keep propping up big companies, and taking care of their friends. if we make DC a place of work and not a retirement facility for Congressional golfing and parties at the WH, maybe people would have an urgency, and maybe congress could pass a REASONABLE budget that curbs spending and won’t take away from my newborn who is already in debt at birth.

February 16, 2012 at 12:50 pm

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crij1301

You guys are reading the change the wrong way, we used to get paid for the whole month even if you were in the zone for one day. The only change is now you get prorated and paid for the one day. It is fair, and I’m a Soldier. It was nice getting the whole month but everyone knew that would go away.

February 9, 2012 at 8:03 pm

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crij1301

Ohhh thunder down for fairness. Biopsy hoooii

February 9, 2012 at 9:39 pm

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InsertCoolUsernameHere InsertCoolUsernameHere

How long ago was that? I remember that changing many years ago but found out in a recent search that it was changed to be prorated in the 2010 NDAA. So if it was already fixed why the need to fix it again with different language? This language appears to allow the leeway to bean counters to set safe zones inside a theater. Know any places in Afghanistan that should not be getting combat pay? This may not change now, but it sets the foundation for a crappy policy for future use.

February 9, 2012 at 11:00 pm

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thebiggourdhead

So how is it that he manages to always get a crowd of smiling service members in the background? I served and would go AWOL before I was coerced into this!!

February 9, 2012 at 7:59 am

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quietprofi quietprofi

Maye those troops are smart enough to read. Dosn’t it bother you that your party so openly lies to you? I scares me that so many of you are so eager to swallow anything your spinmasters wish feed you.

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livin2retire

And how many tours, oh excuse me, how many days did you serve in Afghanistan or Iraq??? Walk a mile in my boots.

February 8, 2012 at 8:33 pm

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anotherlib

I served in Desert Storm from start to end, in Saudi, Kuwait and Iraq and have a son that was in Iraq for 16 mos and now in Afghanistan for 1 year. I am glad that they are finally changing this legislation about the combat pay to what is should have been all along. Having a brother in law that was in the AF, during Desert Storm, they landed in Saudi, unloaded, refueled then took off. He was in country for about 10 hours never to return. He got 1 month of combat pay for those 10 hours. So, making this right by paying those only for those days that they are actually in the theater of operations, considering the financial state of the USA, I am guessing that this will be close to what it cost for the 1.6% pay raise (H.R. 2219) that was given to the Armed Forces effective 1 Jan 2012.

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quietprofi quietprofi

You would realize how little sense that made if you bothered to read the act and actually understood the topic.

February 9, 2012 at 6:00 am

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nopapa

Appreciate your service, but that doesn’t mean that we should keep allowing servicemen to collect hazardous duty pay for the full month when not in country any more than we should let a military contractor over charge for a piece of equipment.

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quietprofi quietprofi

I walked several miles, the only difference is I am smart enough to know this article is BS. Education is good thing; try it.

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jesse.e.blue

The author of this article is dead wrong. Please read the post titled “Troops Aren’t Helped By Being Coddled” at http://www.thefightingbull.com to get an honest assessment of what this policy does for the military.

February 8, 2012 at 4:29 pm

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quietprofi quietprofi

You are making an assumption that facts matter to the people who propagate such nonsense. I appreciate the link though.

February 8, 2012 at 5:52 pm

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quietprofi quietprofi

This article is a bold face lie. It isn’t even well written as propaganda. A drunken syphilitic baboon has the sense to see through the smoke in this report.
NO wonder the GOP is in such a shambles,

February 8, 2012 at 4:24 pm

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nopapa

As a precurcer I want to point out that my daughter currently has a husband in the golf and volunteers as an ombudsman for the Navy acting as a liaison between the command and the families. It appears to me, after reading the comments on this issue and discussing the reaction from some of the wives of sailors with my daughter, that conservatives are constantly jumping at every shiny object that Fox News, Limbaugh and the rest cast out in the dirty water of republican politics like some “Big Mouth Bass” on a singular mission to destroy the president. (and for you correction specialists I do know that the fish is actually called a Large Mouth Bass but I thought Big Mouth was a closer analogy). What you are missing is the TRUTH! As stated several times in response to some of the dumb comments made against the president, this bill originated in the House of Representatives which is currently controlled by John Boehner the weakest speaker since Dennis Hastert and the Tea Party congressmen that conservatives swooned over just 15 short months ago. Seeing how many times this has been stated and subsequently ignored says more about the conservative brain than anything else. You want cuts in spending so long as it isn’t spending that goes in your pocket… We should just cut off seniors and the poor even though this is exactly the type of spending you complain about… People gaming the system. Like the military personel

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nopapa

Continued… Like the military personnel that schedule meeting at the end of the month and stay a day or 2 until the beginning of the next month and get HD pay for both months.. What is the difference between that and a person who spends food stamp on a lottery ticket? What about when a ship sails out of a combat zone on the 2nd of the month and all 5000 sailors get HD pay for the whole month. At the same time we need to support the troops for their service. This type of rational approach usually gets republicans undies in a bundle as they love to wrap themselves in the flag and sing the praises of the military at least until they get home then they are on their own.

February 8, 2012 at 2:05 pm

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quietprofi quietprofi

See how easy it is if you just educate yourself. and not fall into the Sheeple trap. There is another one that says that VA is trying to eliminate God from military funerals.

February 8, 2012 at 4:09 pm

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quietprofi quietprofi

Did any of you actually read the Act, the section or the modified code? ? ????
Don’t be so gullible, that’s why the GOP is losing so bad right now. TOO MANY FOLLOWERS!
The only actual difference in effect is: in the past if you were in country one day of the month you got paid for the whole month. Now if you leave on any day prior to the last day of the month your combat pay stops on that day and if you don’t arrive until after the 1st your pay doesn’t start till the day you arrive. Unless you get hit then you may get paid for the entire month even if you rotate out.
There were no substantial changes to USC 37 CH5 §310 . There are NO Changes to who qualifies only when the pay starts and stops.
In the past REMFs could land in a war zone for one afternoon and draw combat pay for the month, they can’t any more. Someone tell me what is wrong with that. And someone show me how too assign blame for a bill that originated in the house on anyone but the REPUBLICAN house.The “Chicken Little” routine only helps your nemesis…..The sky is not actually falling.

February 8, 2012 at 12:09 pm

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armymom

So let me get this right: my son who is on the line has to raise his hand and tell someone he is being shot at? This doesn’t make any since!

February 8, 2012 at 6:59 am

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quietprofi quietprofi

no that is not even close. there is no change in what makes him elligable for pay, If he is in a combat zone or subject to enemy action he will get his pay. This is just another “Christmas tree tax” or “Birth Certificate” myth with a new name. They don’t want us to bother to research, or question the truth. Sheeple are much easier to control.

February 8, 2012 at 12:14 pm

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russau

if o really wants to save America any money, he could start by quiting and turning down his life time allotment from the gubermint right now! just him alone leaving the political circus would save a bundel! and oh yes, he could take all the other freeloading polititions with him!

February 8, 2012 at 6:53 am

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DougRodrigues DougRodrigues

If Obama wants to save money, then start by terminating all foreigh aid. Stop giving illegal aliens welfare, food stamps, free lodging and medical care.

February 8, 2012 at 4:21 am

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quietprofi quietprofi

The bill title starts with HR that means it was not written by the executive office, if there was anything wrong with it, the blame should go to the Repulican house. again I ask do any of you do anything but follow? no wonder the GOP is like a one legged man trying to herd cats.

February 8, 2012 at 12:16 pm

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livin2retire

Government 101–All bills originate in the House of Representatives, the go to the Senate, if they make it out of the House. Then if changes are made in the Senate, they go back to the House. No Bill goes to the Democratic President without passing both the GOP House and the Democratic Senate. Get over blaming the GOP. Or is that code for “blame it on Bush,”

February 8, 2012 at 8:43 pm

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nopapa

While you are right about the path a bill must take to become law you are, like most conservatives, skipping over the FACT that John Boehner and the Tea Party republicans Wrote The Bill! Read it and weep!

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nopapa

Misplaced blind anger ….. Republicans wrote the bill, check it out, read a little, stop trusting Fox News

February 8, 2012 at 2:29 pm

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nopapa

This reply was meant for Russau & DougRodrigues

February 8, 2012 at 2:33 pm

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livin2retire

Clarification, the prior commentor is correct. It is section 616, but it is on page 154 of the PDF copy of the bill.

February 7, 2012 at 9:17 pm

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anotherlib

Not Sec. 615. One-year extension of authorities relating to payment of other title 37 bonuses and special pays.
But rather Sec. 616. Modification of qualifying period for payment of hostile fire and imminent danger special pay and hazardous duty special pay.

February 7, 2012 at 8:45 pm

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livin2retire

To read the part of the bill H.R.1540 that addresses hazardous duty pay go to: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr1540enr.pdf
-then scroll to SEC. 615. ONE-YEAR EXTENSION OF AUTHORITIES RELATING TO PAYMENT
OF OTHER TITLE 37 BONUSES AND SPECIAL PAYS. (page 154 in PDF file.)

February 7, 2012 at 8:09 pm

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J

Actually President Obama is not pulling combat pay, instead this is a result of the National Defense Authorization Act (which was drawn up by Congress and by the way Congress consists of a majority of Republican AKA Conservative individuals) and was presented to Obama for his approval. Had Obama not signed this bill (given that it had gone back and forth for some time due to both parties not being able to settle their differences) the military would not have gotten paid until some sort of agreement was reached as the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) has to do with the DOD’s (Department of Defense) budget. What has actually happened is that instead of military personnel receiving the full $225/month that they were receiving for being in an imminent danger zone for even one day of the month they will now be receiving a per diem rate of $7.50/day that they are in an imminent danger zone, however if the individual does see combat while in the zone they will receive the full amount of $225 for that month. So you see…Obama is not “pulling” combat pay for our service members, instead Congress has asked that the DOD cut spending and this is one of the ways it is being done. Here is the actual e-mail sent to service members.

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=67030

February 7, 2012 at 6:28 pm

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livin2retire

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/31/statement-president-hr-1540 – This is the President’s official statement when he signed this bill. An interesting read…. He doesn’t speak of our troops or their famililes. In fact, he voiced two concerns about the bill: 1. The welfare of the detainees. 2. His administration has been empowered to interpret and apply this law as they see fit!!! Both the House & the Senate had to approve this bill, but the President and his Czars are empowered to interpret and implement the bill as they see fit. What happened to the judicial branch interpreting law?

February 7, 2012 at 4:02 pm

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anotherlib

He doesn’t speak of our troops or their families???
“Ultimately, I decided to sign this bill not only because of the critically important services it provides for our forces and their families and the national security programs it authorizes, but also because the Congress revised provisions that otherwise would have jeopardized the safety, security, and liberty of the American people.”
It is not the welfare of the detainees that is of concern, but the inability to do what is necessary to determine who, what, why and where of what these detainees are guilty (or innocent) of and prosecution of those that are found guilty. Gitmo and other places are full of detainees that have cause much harm to this Great Nation but the Military has their hands tied due to many of the laws that are currently on the books.
“The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it. In particular, I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists.”

February 7, 2012 at 8:27 pm

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livin2retire

For those who have never served in a combat zone, it may be difficult to count how many times the Persident references “our forces” versus “detainees” in his formal response to this Bill. Getmo may not be a perfect solution, but even our President has not found a better alternative to date. I say, pull out our troops and send them home, but until then, I could never agree with releasing the detainees to return to Afghanistan, if even one could put our troops in harm’s way. Of course, according to this Bill, there is no daily concern for harm in Afghanistan. Despite that our troops go out on a day-to-day basis and sweep for EODs, then during the night they’re replaced, and the sweeps go on again the next day. No danger, no hazardous duty, no threat of harm — unless the EOD explodes.

February 7, 2012 at 9:44 pm

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nopapa

Apparently you are just looking for a place to park your blind hatred for the president… Here is the truth… The republican controlled House of Representatives wrote the bill!

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nopapa

Funny that there is a dislike on a stated undisputed fact… What does that say about the conservative mind?

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rbd171 rbd171

does anyone know how much money is spent funding the private (mercenary) military forces? we all know they are paid ridiculously MORE than our soldiers. that money and their pay is largely OFF THE BOOKS. i would bet that we could easily double our military’s pay for a fraction of the cost, there would be accountability for their actions and we as a voting mass would have a say over what kind of foreign actions are taken and we would STOP our taxes from lining corporate pockets. novel concept, huh?

February 7, 2012 at 12:36 pm

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quietprofi quietprofi

Just look at the job EO did in Africa with less than 500 troops and you will understand why we get paid so well.

February 8, 2012 at 1:40 pm

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rbd171 rbd171

Posts like this only hurt the cause. reason being, that when a lie is passed around and people find about it, they, the smart ones, completely discount anything posted in the future.

yeah, some people do no research, they are terminally stupid, but most are waking up and doing their due diligence. the more outlandish the claim, the more likely they will discover the truth. this is one of those times.

i have seen more conservatives and military men (usually one in the same) counter these claims. with irresponsibility like this, you are doing the libs work for them, for that, i am sure they are thankful.

February 7, 2012 at 12:28 pm

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quietprofi quietprofi

holy crap someone who can read. Bravo.

February 8, 2012 at 12:35 pm

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ErnieLane ErnieLane

As much as I dislike Obama, you’ve got to lay blame squarely on the House Republicans here.

February 7, 2012 at 10:13 am

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quietprofi quietprofi

so very true, but the story is BS. But I guess you are one of the few who understand what the first two lettters of a bill title indicate.
HR does not mean POTUS

February 8, 2012 at 12:38 pm

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gdad

Republican bill. Republican bill. Republican bill.

February 7, 2012 at 9:16 am

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Broke-n-2

This is funny. Just another example of how the media does not understand anything about the military. Yes, it is true military will only get pay when they are in Hazardous areas. Nothing is going to change for the Military in Afghanistan or anywhere else that is considered hostile area. The only thing that is changing is that instead of getting paid for the whole month they are only getting combat pay for the days that they were there. I think that its a great idea, people were getting paid 200 plus for being in a hazard zone for a day. Now they will be only getting paid by the day instead. This is a great way to save money and a better way to insure that we are spending government money wisely. There is going to be a lot of military people that are going to be coming to a hard reality check soon. This drawdown is no joke, even the military isn’t a sure job anymore.

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I don’t know many personnel that only visit the combat zone (afghanistan) for a day… other than guys that have been injured or high ranking officials. I don’t think a measly 200 dollars for a few weeks or even one is a burden. I make that on one day of drill while in the reserves, and 7 dollars for a day to get shot at is pathetic. They wouldn’t be getting too many people trying to ride the system. But I can agree with you that media doesn’t know dick about the military.

February 7, 2012 at 11:47 am

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Bukowski

Umm… hello people! You do realize that (H.R. 1540-7 Sec 616) means that the bill came from the REPUBLICAN controlled House. A better title for this article would be “Obama Signs House Republican’s Bill That Pulls Combat Pay for U.S. Troops”

February 6, 2012 at 9:35 pm

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ddmch

Bukowski .. the H.R. in the bill does not stand for House Republicans it stand for House of Representatives

February 7, 2012 at 9:24 am

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Bukowski

I am aware of that. But the House is controlled by Republicans which was my point. 227 Republicans voted yes and only 6 voted no which was 17 more than needed to pass the bill.

February 7, 2012 at 6:41 pm

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Bukowski

Sorry, it’s 9 more than needed to pass the House.

February 7, 2012 at 6:42 pm

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belcara

Each consecutive day in America is the saddest day in American History as this country is driven further and further from the integrity upon which this country was founded. These soldier’s families often are on food stamps at home and can hardly make ends meet while the soldiers are living away from home in horrid conditions and stress. How do they know when danger lurks and suddenly stricks? They struggle in the heat wearing heavy equipment and go without sleep or rest in fox holes or where they can. This is barbaric treatment of our finest and best. Where is our Congress? What have they to say?

February 6, 2012 at 8:55 pm

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nopapa

Your republican congress wrote the bill! Your anger is as usual pointed in the wrong direction

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quietprofi quietprofi

Read the Act and see how ignorant that post is. Do republicans think anymore? or did that end when Reagan was elected, the party has been a circus ever since the senile ole godger took office.

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Morning Glory

……..and this surprises us WHY? The POTUS is a very lame excuse for a leader. I’d LOVE to see him have to serve in the military. Bet he couldn’t take it~

February 6, 2012 at 6:43 pm

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nopapa

Again I will state the truth in hopes it will seep in to the conservative brain. The republican controlled House of Representatives wrote the bill… Your hatred is misdirected or as the last president said “misunderestimated”

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carolrhill814

And everyone loves this man what is wrong with people he could care less about our men and women.

I just heard his wife speaking about our men and women as though she loves them but couldn’t be further from the truth.

What is going to take to get rid of this horrible horrible man this has to be stopped from happening and that is a fact.

February 6, 2012 at 5:50 pm

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nopapa

Your blind hatred for the President of the United States has apparently shielded you from the truth… The Tea Party Republicans wrote the bill! But I don’t expect your hatred to let that truth in either.

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nopapa

I would challenge carrolrhill814 to name 3 “real things” that the president has done to cause such hatred. Remember they must be “REAL” not something spun from whole cloth by Fox News or El Rushbo. By real I mean factual, documented not … “He’s a Socialist” not that anyone on the right knows the real meaning of the word. There I go using that word REAL!

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Randy131

You can tell the people that passed this legislation never served their countries military, and have never been in a foreign land where their life could be in danger at any time. How pathetic and what a shame, for what kind of leaders are we sending to Washington DC to represent us? This shows truly that they serve nobody but their own interests, and those greedy bastards become rich investing with in-side tradeable knowledge, and then send our young men into harms way and deny them the extra pay for the extra risk they must be put in to serve our country and these ungrateful bastards.

February 6, 2012 at 5:34 pm

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belcara

Hardly an honorable man or woman stands in the midst of our Capitol buildings; not a leader amongst them, no supreme court judge, representative, senator, not a one that I can tell. This is the most tragic time in our history.

February 6, 2012 at 8:59 pm

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quietprofi quietprofi

true but irrelevant.

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